Hi folks! Welcome to my My Own Personal Nerdy Disney and Animation Scrutinizing Analysis blog. A blog where I'm analyzing several Disney films, Disney or Animation in general! These entries are just meant to be my analyses. Not reviews or statements. Just fun analyses! Though I'll make some personal remarks now and then, the content of these entries are meant to be depicted objectively. They're made for entertainment purpose only and the pictures/clips are copyright Disney or other companies.
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Yes, it actually happened. Incredible, but true |
In
this addition I'm going to discuss the fairy tale movies from the
Revival era. But first and foremost this discussion is going to be about
how The Princess and the Frog shaped and defined the upcoming fairy tale movies. To how they were renamed to clunky adjective titles.
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I can make a balloon :) And it's free :) |

Yes, I know it and you know it. It`s a discussion that has been discussed to death in various boards. It's been inescapable to even miss it.
But it's still an relevant and engaging discussion that has shaped
Disney in every sense. And if you'll see this case comically, you could
certainly say that The Princess and the Frog is one of Disney's
most influential films of all time. Because it not only began the trend
with the adjective title, but with the clunky and wonky titles, haha!
The Princess and the Frog

Both Disney and Pixar had ideas of doing something with The Frog Prince story. Disney were exploring it in the late 80's when Beauty and the Beast was in production, while Pixars version would be setted in Chicago in the 30's. Even Eric Goldberg was developing a treatment of his own.
Despite being based on The Frog Prince, the final result is credited to The Frog Princess by E.D. Baker, which Disney purchased in 2003 or 2006 (there are various sources about that one). Most likely because Grimm's version is shorter and less elaborate.
Either way, The Princess and the Frog was produced in the same mold as the hand drawn features from the 90's. With the exception of the inclusion of Alan Menken, it had all the components which shaped the most successful films of the Renaissance era.
And it was directed by John Musker and Ron Clements. Top animators as Mark Hehn, Eric Goldberg, Andreas Deja, Ruben Aquino, Mike Surrey, Nik Ranieri, Duncan Marjoribanks, Alex Kupershmidt and Randy Haycock supervised the characters. and made some good and interesting designs to the main leads as humans.
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Yes, I resemble Tinker Bell. What else did you expect? :) |

It's no coincidence that the setting was located to New Orleans, because it was both Walt's and John Lasseter's favorite city in the world (and this was actually before Katrina). Musker and Clements had left Disney in the early 2000's, but when they were called in by Lasseter, they pitched the idea to him and were given the choice to either have it to be CGI or handdrawn (I love you guys for choosing the latter, haha).

The result? The Princess and the Frog made a decent, but unspectacular $104,400,899 Domestically and $267,045,765 Worldwide. It certainly wasn't a flop, but it could've done better.
The Reasons for It`s Underperformance

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I'm bringing my relative Tony's legacy a step further :) |
certain other theories that have been brought up, but we'll get to those later ;) Yet an article cites the unfortunate, shallow truth: That audiences has perceived hand drawn animation as old fashioned.


Speaking of Avatar, it's not just a mere coincidence that is mentioned in this context. Because while the derivative plot (sorry, James Cameron) has often been accused for being a smurf-version of Pocahontas, it's rather a blatant copy of Atlantis The Lost Empire (which I personally consider to be a superior film, though I know it's an unpopular opinion, haha). While the premise of white invadors vs native populants is far from Disney's own invention, it's relevant to compare Avatar to Disney, since it's blatantly borrows from two Disney features that heavily relies upon it.
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We did it! We managed to destroy Disney with our shallow fanfiction. Yay! |
The Title
As aforementioned, The Princess and the Frog is really a clunky and wonky title. But mostly because it really has little relevance to the actual plot. Yes, it was changed from The Frog Princess because of racial controversies (and supposedly it was offensive to France). But why not change it to a more relevant and relatable title? Tiana and Naveen doesn't spend the time together as a Princess and a frog (and yes, I'm not counting the Princess gown on the LaBouff masquerade). They spend majority as frogs together and when she actually becomes a Princess by their kiss, they're both human again.
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Brace yourself, it's going to take an eternity. |

The Racist Aspect
And
yes, now we're getting into the inevitable racial issues about this
movie. Disney listened to the pleas and criticism and made their
first African-American Princess. Of course Disney could always make a
movie about African-Americans, but why do they have to be royalty?
Considering the technical impossibilty of the issue (yes, there were
some flack for the Prince not being African-American too). Why not
having just an African American-setting? Or even more specific, an
African-setting with a tribal Princess?
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Sorry, but we were victims of Disney's political correctness, where the trend is now green! :) |


However, Tiana's voice actress, Dreamgirls' Anika Noni Rose (who've had reunions with Disney for doing different characters before landing on Tiana), stated in The View and various interviews that she never had problems with the frog spell (who wonders what Beyonce, Tyra Banks and Alicia Keys opinions were about it, since they wanted the part).

Yes, they hated me even more when I brought rabbits with me :) |
Tangled/Rapunzel
And now we're getting into the next phase of this debate. The name change from Rapunzel to Tangled.
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You're hidden my goods, so therefore we're having this staring contest :) |


It made Disney fans go crazy! There were lots of heated debates on several boards about it. And awkwardly enough, the dolls from the movie were shown on American The International Toy fair right before the title change (way to screw up, Disney! And yes, note the sarcasm).
History


could certainly imagine an adaptation of it being made during Walt's time. Glen Keane initially wanted to make the movie hand drawn, but was forced by Michael Eisner to make it in CGI. When Lasseter was put in charge, Glen was given the choice to switch back to hand drawn. But he wanted to pursue the idea and boundaries of CGI and make it more flexible and looking more like hand drawn.


The Misleading Trailer
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No more Herculade for me ;) |

irreverent comedy in tune with Shrek. It made several Disney fans scream foul! The scene where Rapunzel (Mandy Moore, priorly Kristin Chenoweth) tortures Flynn Rider (Zachary Levi) with her hair really wasn't in the movie at all. It was just a test footage.
While lots of art work, character designs and stills were leaked during the pre-The Princess and the Frog period, there were barely leaked any stills for Tangled.
Just the hand drawn versions of the characters (proving how lovely the
film could've been as hand drawn). It wasn't until a leaked concept art
of Rapunzel shedding a tear on Flynn's unconscious face which made fans gain hope about the non-meta tone of the film.
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I told them that I looked better with less Botox, but they wouldn't listen! ;) |

Hidden Musical/Final Result

The Reasons For It`s Success/The Truth About the Title Change

However, directors Byron Howard and Nathan Greno desperately denied the rumors and said the title change was about having two protagonists. It wasn't until early 2014, however, where John Lasseter finally came clean and admitted the true intentions behind the title change on this inerview with Telegraph.com/uk.
Behind the Scenes Information


Though he asked Musker and Clements to direct Tangled before Frog, Nathan Greno and Byron Howard from Bolt stepped in (though Nathan was asked first and afterwards asked Byron to join him) and Glen became the executive producer and directing animator. The original version was supposed to be darker. But personally I've wondered what the outcome would've been if Keane was the director all along. It was later revealed that Menken was hired because of his ability to write musicals quickly. And less room for collaboration or execution of own ideas. Though probably due to the costs of the project, as stated on this interview (begins on 26:40).
The Comparison Between The Princess and the Frog and Tangled

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Find one wrong in this picture :) And yes, it's obvious :) |
You could say that Tangled is a minimalist version of Hunchback with a female protagonist (and also having the second hero with beard since Phoebus). Rapunzel was changed into an actual Princess to this story, a lost one (as Anastasia, if you will). Though Tiana had her mother left, the film was still centered about her relationship with her father. Rapunzel was also the second Disney Princess to have both her parents alive Another Disney cue taken from Sleeping Beauty.
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Yay, it fits me! Blame mom for it not being steady ;) |
Frozen
And now we're getting into the third addition of this triangle. Frozen, the fairest of them all (yes, pun intended).

History
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No, it's not copyright Madonna anymore :) |
The discussion began before Snow White. Samuel Goldwyn was also interested to portray Andersen's life and in March 1940, Walt Disney suggested a collaboration (Disney would tackle the animated parts, while Goldwyn would deal with the live action). But the project got canceled when Disney was occupied with military training films. Marc Davis himself wanted to make a attraction featuring the Snow Queen in the 70's, but never got executed.
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At least it resembles spring. Sort of;) |
The
film was greenlit again in the early 90's, but postponed. The Brizzi
Brothers, Dick Zondag, Dave Goetz and even Harvey Fierstein pitched the
idea again, but was shelved.
It
surfaced again in the early 2000's. Kai wanted to impress Gerda and the
Snow Queen rode on a orca. Another version had Kai spelled by the Snow
Queen and married her, while Gerda was a devious gold digger. Glen Keane
was a part of it, but left in 2003.
Alan
Menken was working on a stage show of The Snow Queen at Tokyo DisneySea
with Glenn Slater, but got canceled because Disney wanted to release it
after the movie was released and the show was too expensive. Alongside
with Slater and Mike Gabriel they developed a own version, but got
canceled. Eisner suggested the idea to Lasseter.

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"Don't let me go! I want to forget that I'm freezing my butt off" |
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Of course this photo is not real, otherwise I've would've melted :) |
When Let It Go
was wrapped, the movie was re-written in the favor of Elsa, by
suggestion by Robert and Kristen Anderson-Lopez which her husband urged
her to do, because it was so her alley, though originally Elsa was given a traditional villain song (and both songwriters were huge Josh Gad fans and structured the In Summer song to suit him), .


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Yes, it's synergy. It's fate, it's not contrivance :) |
Tangled`s Influence on Frozen
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We're twins, right? Um... Almost :) |
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Don't let my age fool ya, I'm good with food :) |
There's no denial that Frozen was shaped by Tangled. Don't believe me? It's adjective-title. Being made in CGI. The constant debate of Anna (and even Elsa) resembling Rapunzel. Originally Frozen was slated for a 2014 release, but the creators were asked to complete the film a year earlier when another production got troubled. Which made the 2013 release being three years after Tangled (and no, I'm not bringing the theory about Tangled, Frozen, Mermaid and Tarzan existing in the same universe ;). Heck, even Kristen Bell and Idina Menzel (which already has an Disney resume with Enchanted) auditioned for Rapunzel (though Megan Mullally was originally one who played Elsa on it's initial draft).
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Yes, there's a reason why I have only the bow! Duuuh :) |

At least it's not Santa, for once :) |
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We're... distant relatives. Twice removed ;) |
The Lack of the Classic Disney Climax
It's remarkable that none of those films have the classic fighting climax as Disney used to have priorly. Wreck-it-Ralph and even Brave had such climaxes, but the ones in Frog and Tangled were made differently and were shorter (at least Frozen and Moana
had some longer climaxes). It's not to indicate that every single
Disney film needs a huge, elaborate climax at the end, but I personally
miss that in a Disney film.
Frozen`s Box Office Results
The result for Frozen? I'm not sure...
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This picture was taken before Elsa released her powers and froze the whole Disney universe ;) |
Many feared that Big Hero 6 would tear down this new Revival era/being this era's Pocahontas (at least critically). But Big Hero 6 managed to quietly become a huge Blockbuster on it's own. But the third (and most honest trailer) for Frozen depicted it as "the greatest Disney event since The Lion King". Well, you could certainly say that it worked! And probably should be used in every upcoming Disney trailer, haha! Frozen was advertised in the same mold as Tangled, with a boys appeal! And it was made in CinemaScope, making it the second widescreen fairy tale film since Sleeping Beauty.
The Reasons For It`s Phenomenal Success
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Yes, I became a father without a female partner ;) |

Perhaps people found the sisterhood compelling. And that it had two royal gals, both being the complete opposites (Anna being the second female lead to wake up with a messy hair). Many claims Let it Go for being the force for Frozen's phenomenon.
As opposed to Tangled, Frozen was given not only one, but two spinoff-shorts on two theatrical releases: The delightful Frozen Fever (a short that I personally considered to be superior to Tangled Ever After, not to slam the latter) with Kenneth Branagh's' Cinderella. While fall of 2017 we got the fairly enchanting Olaf's Frozen Adventure,
which running time were 22. minutes and had several new songs
(originally Olaf was going to be Elsa's henchman and his ability would
be to smell through his carrot nose, which Josh Gad auditioned for on
it's early stages) with Coco. And yes, the much awaited full-length sequel was finally been released in 2019!
My Personal Opinion on the Title Change


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The White Witch from Narnia would've loved this :) |
The Reasons For the Title Changes/Cynicism vs. Fairy Tale Sincerity

One
of Disney's main concerns for depiction of fairy tales is their
overall reception. Fearing that the world has grown too cynical for a
sincere fairy tale. Something that was quite evident with the huge
success of Shrek (although I had my concerns with Shrek
which you could personally ask me about, though I'm not mentioning it
now, I thought the mockery of fairy tale tropes were the best thing
about the movie). And there were movies after Shrek who continued the mockery trend (Hoodwinked, anyone?).

My Personal Opinion on My Favorite Movie of This Triology
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Just take my hand, hold it tight. But I won't protect you from all around you ;) |

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Prince Naveen is simply one the best Disney Prince ever, full of charisma and personality! And Dr. Facilier is the best Disney villain in a long time and blends perfectly in the catalog of great Disney villains. While Frog has not been completely dismissed, it has been given less attention than it's followers since it's release. One of the making off-+featurettes on the 25th Anniversary Edition of Beauty and the Beast (#1074: Walt, Fairy Tales & Beauty and the Beast) only mentions Tangled and Frozen among the new generation of fairy tales. And a friend of mine who visited Disneyland in fall 2013 told me there were zero merchandise for Frog.

The Huge Weight on the Shoulders of The Princess and the Frog
I think The Princess and the Frog
was hampered by it's task of a being a comeback film. It simply
couldn't fulfill that task. Though people have cited that it wasn't
strong enough, it also was unfortunately released in a wrong time.
Regardless of this, let's not forget that Mermaid was praised during it's release and seen as inferior when Beauty and the Beast came along.
The
Constant Comparisons Between the Renaissance and the Revival Era/My
Personal Opinion on the Best Princess Movie From This Period




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We've been instructed by corporates to seem tough. That's showbiz for ya :) |
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That's what sugar does to ya :) |
The Disneyfication Aspect
It's remarkable how these new adaptations of the fairy tales strays away from their fairy tale predecessors, especially The Princess and the Frog. Frozen, however, is Disney's second full-length feature based from a Hans Christian Andersen novel, which is enough to make it comparable to Mermaid. Though Disney has adapted Andersen's tales besides them, as 1939's Ugly Duckling, Roger Allers' The Little Match Girl from 2006 (a hand drawn project) and The Steadfast Tin Soldier in Fantasia 2000.
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Yes, kiss my hand. We're in the former century. Duuuh :) |
The Discussion of Hand Drawn Animation vs. CGI
It would be
tempting to turn this discussion to a CGI vs hand drawn debate, but it
won't be my intention. Both mediums has their pro and cons. And both
should definitively co-exist together (yes, I know I sound pretencious,
but that's the honest truth). It's appropriate to bring Get a Horse into this debate. The delightful Mickey Mouse short which featured before Frozen,
really was a blend of both worlds and incorporated them skillfully. But
considering how Walt was an innovator, there have been several theories
that he would probably support CGI animation (something that has irked
purists).
The Final Reputation of The Princess and the Frog
I don't think we should solely blame The Princess and the Frog
for the demise of hand drawn animation. It just happened to suffer
under unfortunate circumstances. And being the wrong film at the wrong
time. But it's still a pity that Disney aren't making hand drawn films
anymore. There are many discussions and theories why Disney really
ditched it, which I don't find it relevant to discuss now. But I'm
hoping for the day when it returns and hand drawn and CGI could
co-exist, side by side (poetic, but true).
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We're a Funhouse without Pink :) |
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I'm labeling you as my baby literally by this gesture :) |
The Redemption of Disney`s Fairy Tale Movies
However, it's good that these films have redeemed Disney and made straight, sincere fairy tales hip again! Released in an era where Disney were mostly associated with their Disney Channel juggernauts (High School Musical, Hannah Montana and other properties), they made people gain faith in Disney again. There were rumors about Disney scrapping fairy tale movies completely during Tangled's release, but those were (fortunately) just vague rumors.
Final Conclusion/The True Reason For Stigma Against Girl Movies


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http://www.vulture.com/2014/01/why-is-frozen-such-a-big-hit.html
http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/how-frozen-took-over-the-world
http://www.vulture.com/2014/01/why-is-frozen-such-a-big-hit.html
http://article.wn.com/view/2011/12/22/Walt_Disney_Animation_Gives_The_Snow_Queen_New_Life_Retitled/
http://www.slashfilm.com/walt-disney-animation-the-snow-queen-life-retitled-frozen-hand-drawn/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/12/23/disneys-next-toon-is-frozen
http://www.imdb.com/news/ni19955911/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456729
http://blogs.indiewire.com/animationscoop/frozen-preview-designing-arrendelle
http://animatedviews.com/2013/author-charles-solomon-puts-the-chill-to-us-with-the-art-of-frozen/
http://celebritytoob.com/celebrity-news/know-frozen-director-jennifer-lee-first/
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/moana-teaser-a-brief-history-of-disney-omitting-162159961.html
http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2010/11/30/-disney-s-tangled--_7C00_-three-keanes-help-make-a-pretty-keen-animated-comedy.aspx
https://ew.com/article/2010/11/24/tangled-rapunzel-nathan-greno-byron-howard/
https://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2010/02/17/no-matter-what-disney-studios-winds-up-calling-its-rapunzel-animated-feature-mattel-still-has-confidence-in-this-character.aspx
https://movieweb.com/glen-keane-talks-tangled/
https://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32176&hilit=rapunzel+bastion (Different directors, different outcomes to the films?)